Wichita State looking into women’s basketball transfers

[1972Shocker]

Noticed, that even though Samantha played a full year with Jane, she is not listed on the roster either of her two years on goshockers.com.

I noticed that as well. I would look at the season statistics but for some reason none of them seem to be avaiable. Not sure why.

I do remember Samantha and here is a pitcture of her in action as a Shocker:

[shockerfanmas]

This will be my one and only post on the subject. I will not respond to any quotes or questions about my opinion, so please refrain from such actions.

I have a close friend who played basketball at the juco level for a semester. She was a star at my high school and loved the game. When she played basketball at the juco, the demanding nature of college sports wore on her, and she found out she didn't love the next level. it was too demanding and too different from what she was used to for her.

In the world today, my generation expects to be pampered and babied and to have everything given to them. They want to be successful without effort. There are few that have the grit and determination to make things for themselves.

I got married in December, and I have since discovered how fragile and complex female emotions are. Too many times I have put myself in the doghouse by remarking on a stupid question by calling such, thusly reducing my wife to tears.

My wife and I lived with another couple for 6 months, and I made the other girl cry by telling her to "pull her head out of her ass" when they made a series of stupid, stupid decisions. Appearantly, I was name calling, demeaning, and degrading with that comment.

In this day and age, consensual sex is rape if the female regrets it later. We are in the days of gender equality by male inequality. Anything that makes a woman feel bad for her actions is demeaning, degrading, and mentally abusive.

On the subject of this thread, some women are too entitled and irresponsible to make good of their skills at the level Jody demands. When nothing a coach does gets through to one player, you send them home for a weekend. When you fail to get through to a group, you do what it takes. Jody has to have a bite to her bark, and I applaud her for her efforts to bite these kids. Sometimes good players are just brats and need an attitude adjustment.

And to parents everywhere- Spare the rod, spoil the child. To the world a favor and smack your children. A little bit of momentary pain goes a long way in character building.

Wow. You my friend, have won the award for most idiotic post of the day. I hope you never have children

[mjbaker84]

This will be my one and only post on the subject. I will not respond to any quotes or questions about my opinion, so please refrain from such actions.

I have a close friend who played basketball at the juco level for a semester. She was a star at my high school and loved the game. When she played basketball at the juco, the demanding nature of college sports wore on her, and she found out she didn't love the next level. it was too demanding and too different from what she was used to for her.

In the world today, my generation expects to be pampered and babied and to have everything given to them. They want to be successful without effort. There are few that have the grit and determination to make things for themselves.

I got married in December, and I have since discovered how fragile and complex female emotions are. Too many times I have put myself in the doghouse by remarking on a stupid question by calling such, thusly reducing my wife to tears.

My wife and I lived with another couple for 6 months, and I made the other girl cry by telling her to "pull her head out of her ass" when they made a series of stupid, stupid decisions. Appearantly, I was name calling, demeaning, and degrading with that comment.

In this day and age, consensual sex is rape if the female regrets it later. We are in the days of gender equality by male inequality. Anything that makes a woman feel bad for her actions is demeaning, degrading, and mentally abusive.

On the subject of this thread, some women are too entitled and irresponsible to make good of their skills at the level Jody demands. When nothing a coach does gets through to one player, you send them home for a weekend. When you fail to get through to a group, you do what it takes. Jody has to have a bite to her bark, and I applaud her for her efforts to bite these kids. Sometimes good players are just brats and need an attitude adjustment.

And to parents everywhere- Spare the rod, spoil the child. To the world a favor and smack your children. A little bit of momentary pain goes a long way in character building.

lol speak for yourself about "my generation".

You sound like an old entitled punk.

I am 30 my wife is 28 and neither of us have expected anything that we have not earned. Don't stereotype because you fit that mold.

[Aargh]

Uh, shock, you're going to end up being able to "finish first" or "finish second" about as often as Bruce Jenner after his most recent interview. "Play angry" in that context often gets good reviews, but too often that ends up being an "away game" when a "coach" has your attitude.

I'm from an older generation, typically considered more conservative than those entering their first marriage now - or even 20 years ago. We have an expression for the position in which you've placed your wife. We call it "in play".

[shock]

I consider the two times I unintentionally made my wife cry for making her feel stupid 2 too many. I was a dumbass, and off handedly replied to her like I would one of my guy friends. It didn't work out. I learned from it, and life (and our marriage) moved on.

I pm'd the people I respect to clear things up about the vagueness of my post. My wife has read everything, and assured me I have nothing to worry about. Her opinion matters the most. The rest of you can kick rocks.

And this is my last post on the subject of my marriage.

[Shocker-maniac]

I think @shock: was stating that we live in an era where many people are overly sensitive to criticism and do not handle adversity well as compared to earlier generations when there was more of a suck it up and face the challenge mentality. I think there is some validity in general to that statement, but I'm NOT saying that I agree that this is the case for the WSU players that left the program. I just think there was a misunderstanding in what @shock: was trying to communicate and he got jumped on pretty hard for it.

[luvthoseshox]

I think @shock: was stating that we live in an era where many people are overly sensitive to criticism and do not handle adversity well as compared to earlier generations when there was more of a suck it up and face the challenge mentality. I think there is some validity in general to that statement, but I'm NOT saying that that I agree that this is the case for the WSU players that left the program. I just think there was a misunderstanding in what @shock: was trying to communicate and he got jumped on pretty hard for it.

I agree, I don't think kids are as tough these days as they used to be. Not saying that's the case in this situation, but I also see the point he was trying to make.

[im4wsu]

I noticed that as well. I would look at the season statistics but for some reason none of them seem to be avaiable. Not sure why.

I do remember Samantha and here is a pitcture of her in action as a Shocker:

They are listed in the fact book http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/7500...DB_OEM_ID=7500

[Shocker-maniac]

I agree, I don't think kids are as tough these days as they used to be. Not saying that's the case in this situation, but I also see the point he was trying to make.

Also, if you've been married and have never said anything insensitive to your wife that hurt her feelings, by all means go ahead and throw the first stone. :).

Edit: @luvthoseshox: this post was not directed at you. Didn't want there to be a misunderstanding.

[Rlh04d]

I agree, I don't think kids are as tough these days as they used to be. Not saying that's the case in this situation, but I also see the point he was trying to make.

Oh dear; we're moving into "Kids these days!!!" territory.

Every generation in the history of mankind has thought the generations after them were weaker than their own generation. I have never heard one single older person in my life say "You know what, these kids really have it together; they're really going to outdo us." So either humanity is f'ed or we're all captives of our own nostalgia and bias.

Also, if kids aren't as tough these days, it's because of a failure in our generation's parenting ability. No one ever seems to come to that logical conclusion with complaining about the younger generations: the job of the older generation is to prepare the younger generation to take over. If they suck it's because we sucked. The genetic code of humanity isn't becoming weaker with subsequent generations.

[The Mad Hatter]

Can anyone show me studies that say kids these days are weaker/can't take feedback compared to other generations? Just curious because generally science don't lie.

I would take issue with the idea that science doesn't lie, since there is vast disparity from study to study in the quality of study design, both in the nature of data collection and the relevance of the data to the conclusions that are trying to be made. In addition, making inter-generational comparisons can be particularly difficult because few studies can establish clear baselines of past generations attributes, even if they can test the current generation.

That being said, there are studies that suggest that there is an overall decline in respect for authority, which, while not always bad, can be tied to a tendency to take instruction less well and perceive authority as unreasonable, even abusive, where those with higher respect for authority might not. For instance:

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/0198295685.001.0001/acprof-9780198295686-chapter-12#

In a school context, there is plenty of literature that documents the perception on the part of all parties of diminished respect:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/23/respect-schools-teachers-parents-students/4789283/

In addition, there is a lot of anecdotal evidence about the concept of "helicopter parents" whose constant intervention in their children's lives has shifted the relative respect levels/responsibilities or parents, teachers, coaches, other authority figures, etc and the preparedness of children to independently cope with new circumstance. For instance, https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...orse-you-think

Whether the helicopter parent model is harmful or beneficial (and depending on the situation there may be some of both), I tend to think that the evidence that it represents a generational shift with strong implications is fairly clear.

All this to say, while every generation thinks subsequent ones are worse, I believe that there is evidence from a variety of directions that shifts in societal values and parenting approaches has resulted in decreased respect for authority and increased entitlement. These same factors may come with positive generational changes as well, such as parental engagement and rejection of commonly accepted problematic hierarchical structures. Nonetheless, these changes, both good and bad, create the very real possibility of a cultural/generational expectation gap where practices that would previously be commonly acceptable are now considered abusive. It doesn't mean there aren't objective answers to many questions of abuse, but it does complicate the picture.

[Aargh]

Are you saying there is less respect for authority now than there was maybe 45 years ago?

Back than about every college campus had people wearing Che Guevera t-shirts. The "Question Authority" t-shirt was also very popular. College students thumbed their noses at laws and mores that said drugs were bad. Many college campuses had Students For a Democratic Society chapters, which were proponents of a socialist state. Guys let their hair grow.

Football players were giving up on the WSU FB program and quitting because coaches were yelling things like "you couldn't knock a sick whore off a piss pot", which is actually more related to the sport than some of the things Jody has allegedly done.

Football program had a BUNCH of black players quit because the coaches stacked all the black guys into a couple of positions and wouldn't let them compete with white guys at positions they were better suited to. One of those who quit was a good friend of mine who got picked up by the Chiefs when he quit after his Fr season.

Athletes have always been a little touchy about demeaning (particularly on a personal level) tirades and pre-conceived attitudes about athletes of certain races.


Athletes pretty much know that if they miss an assignment in practice, they're going to get yelled at. Mess up once too often and it's time for some wind sprints. The language describing an inability to master reasonably simple (and sometimes incredibly complex) tasks is likely to be more than a bit "colorful. Those butt-chewings are based on things the athlete can correct through concentration, effort, focus, and repetition. There's certain to be a next item - and a next, but it's a series of things that can be overcome one at a time to please the coach and there's hope for ending the "instructional" moments.

When there is no pleasing a coach, there's no hope of ever ending the negativity. Then there's no motivation to continue in that situation. Is that a reason to terminate a coach? I don't know. Does that coaches W/L trecord affect a decision on whether that coach should be terminated? I don't know that either.

I know that blaming the athletes is not fair to them in any way. It's possible for the athlete to correct getting abutt chewing for not having the proper footwork to make a lateral move. It's a lot harder to correct, "you look like a whore".

[DUShock]

It has been downhill since the Greatest Generation aka the Toughest Generation. Oddly enough, they are To blame for begatting the baby boomers, who begat the Gen-Xers (that's me!), who begat the millenials. Who, ah heck, as a society we are beyond screwed.

[shoxlax]

What I see out of the 18-25 year old kids I work with that are different than my generation (very young edge of baby boomers or old Gen X depending on who you ask) are these two things:
1. The need for constant yet realistic feedback about what they need to do to get better and what they are doing right; and
2. More inquisitiveness over why they are doing something the way they are doing it instead of shutting up and coloring like we did. This often gets mistaken for lack of respect for authority.
I will leave it to you all to apply these theories to the case at hand

[rrshock]

What I see out of the 18-25 year old kids I work with that are different than my generation (very young edge of baby boomers or old Gen X depending on who you ask) are these two things:
1. The need for constant yet realistic feedback about what they need to do to get better and what they are doing right; and
2. More inquisitiveness over why they are doing something the way they are doing it instead of shutting up and coloring like we did. This often gets mistaken for lack of respect for authority.
I will leave it to you all to apply these theories to the case at hand

I know in my line of work, when the around 20 somethings are generally hirrible. They come in, expect everything that the guys that have been arpund for 10+ yrs have and want to whine and ***** about having to do their jobs.

I think something to look at would be participation in extracurricular activities in hs these days. I have heard from several different schools that participation in everything is down. Kids are lazy. They dont like to be told what to do, and just want to play video games.

I domt know any of these girls involved and wont make judgement. Im sure they arent your typical kid these days. Just trends these days dont show us much good.